On this episode of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan was joined by Yeonmi Park. Yeonmi Park is a North Korean defector and human rights activist trying to shine a light on the atrocities still being committed in North Korea by the current Kim regime. She wrote her experiences into a bestseller, ‘In Order to Survive.’ She tells stories of her childhood and escaping to remind the world of how terrible things are for North Koreans.
Jordan and Yeonmi discussed various topics, including her incredible story of escaping North Korea, being a slave in China, and her current opinions on issues in modern Eastern and Western society.
Find more Yeonmi Park in her book In Order To Live, also check her out on social media @YeonmiParkNK on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram @yeonmi_park, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpQu57KgT7gOoLCAu3FFQsA
[02:00] Yeonmi’s story
[04:30] Information Control
[06:00] Eating in North Korea
[08:00] Spring; the season of death when people can’t make it to the summer for food.
[10:30] Average wage in North Korea and living off of grasshoppers
[13:00] Class distinctions in North Korea
[15:00] Group guilts
[18:00] What Yeonmi’s parents did to survive.
[21:00] When her father started to trade and how she links trade with freedom
[24:30] How Yeonmi’s mother was almost thrown in a prison camp because of her uncle
[29:00] Being alone as a kid in North Korea typical day and week (one of the best clips
[33:00] What she was eating and where she was getting her food.
[36:00] Constantly thinking about food
[41:30] The North Korean prison camp experience
[44:00] Her dad getting out of the concentration camp
[45:00] What happened to her father when he came back from prison
[48:00] China lights from North Korea
[49:30] Trafficking into china
[50:30] Her time as a sex slave in China
[56:30] Eating enough food to get full for the first time
[58:00] Reuniting with her father and the slave owner
[01:01:30] Selling her mother for food
[01:03:30] Sex chat rooms
[01:05:00] Freedom in South Korea through Christianity
[01:06:30] Christian missionary
[01:11:30] Traveling to Mongolia
[01:14:30] The holding camp in Mongolia
[01:19:00] Being identified as refugees in South Korea
[01:20:00] When she realized what North Korea was.
[01:21:00] Why she thought George Orwell’s book is relevant to the time she spent in North Korea.
[01:23:30] When Yeon Mi started to speak out.
[01:27:30] What drove her from the university.
[01:34:00] Managing to get into a university in South Korea
[01:35:30] Becoming the North Korean Paris Hilton and studying criminal justice.
[01:39:00] Discovering her sister
[01:40:00] Ending up at Columbia University
[01:44:00] Her time at Columbia University
[01:57:30] What’s next for Yeon Mi?
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Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.
Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience (#877, #958, #1006), The Rubin Report (12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, Free Speech, Psychology, Gender Pronouns), H3H3 (#37), and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content. Jordan is expanding his current podcast from lectures to interviews with influential people around the world. We hope you enjoy this episode and more to come from Dr. Peterson in the future.
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