You’re Next | Dr Rima Azar | The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast – S4: E28

On Season 4, Episode 28 of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan is joined by Dr. Rima Azar. Dr. Rima Azar is an Associate Professor of health psychology at Mount Allison University, co-founder and co-director of NaviCare/SoinNavi, and a former holder of a CIHR New Investigator salary award in Developmental Psychoneuroimmunology.

Dr. Rima Azar and Jordan sat down to discuss the importance of free speech and what happened with the recent controversy surrounding her blog, as well as what led to her suspension at Mount Allison University in Sackville, New Brunswick.

Find more Dr. Rima Azar on her blog at

Here are three ways to support Dr Azar:

1. Email the university’s administration:
Dr. Jean-Paul Boudreau:
[email protected]


Mr. Robert Inglis, VP, Finance & Administration:
[email protected]

2. Kindly contribute to my Go Fund Me campaign (personal legal defence):

3. VERY soon, an (automated) open letter/petition will be released; Rima will advertise it on both her blog (Bambi’s Afkar) and her new personal website:

[0:00] Jordan introduces this episodes guest, Dr Rima Azar
[02:00] Dr Azar’s experience at teaching at Mount Allison and the research she has been doing
[05:00] What happened on the blog, how it started, and what inspired it
[09:30] What is worrisome about what is happening with the culture
[10:30] What she wrote that caused the trouble
[12:30] What exactly happened to Dr Azar
[25:00] Her experience with Canada
[31:00] Who sent her the note of suspension?
[33:00] Did she experience systematic racism in Montreal?
[37:30] Has she faced her accusers?
[39:00] The student organizations that spoke out
[45:30] Diversity training and what she is doing in the interim
[50:00] Where the complaints were sent
[55:30] The false story in the media
[59:30] What this has done to her friends and family
[01:04:00] What hiring committees look for and the different personality traits that equate to the main differences in people
[01:17:00] The arbitration process
[01:20:00] What her colleagues are doing about this
[01:27:00] How she has structured her life in the aftermath of all of this

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Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.

Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience (#877, #958, #1006), The Rubin Report (12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, Free Speech, Psychology, Gender Pronouns), H3H3 (#37), and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content. Jordan is expanding his current podcast from lectures to interviews with influential people around the world. We hope you enjoy this episode and more to come from Dr. Peterson in the future.




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